Outpost 2 Online Conference

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This is from a online conference from 31st October 1995.


Message-Id: <9510311210.AA10487@ig1.att.att.com>
From: jcc@mvuas.att.com (J Craig Cleaveland +1 508 960 6002)
Date: 31 Oct 95 07:09:00 -0500
Subject: Outpost II game online conference


Folks, Here is a transcript of a Compuserve online conference
on Sierra's upcoming game called Outpost 2.  The original Outpost
is the closest simulation game yet to space colonization (oops, I meant
the creation of ecosystems and human communities in space).  Outpost 2
looks like it will be even better.  The conceptual designers of 
Outpost 2 includes Gentry Lee, the co-author with Arthur C. Clarke
of the Rama series.  It's interesting to see the interplay among
the participants between playing the game and doing it for real.

I've removed trivia and sysop messages from the script.

Craig

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Gentry Lee, Jim French Outpost 2 CON 10/4/95

Greg/Sierra Sysop: % Moderation of this conference has begun
Greg/Sierra Sysop: % Your moderator is [74777,214] Greg/Sierra Sysop
Greg/Sierra Sysop: % The floor is now CLOSED
Greg/Sierra Sysop: Ok... hello everyone and welcome to the CON!!....
Greg/Sierra Sysop: WE'll get started now... we have Gentry Lee, Jim 
French and David Black here and I'm going to let them introduce 
themselves...
Greg/Sierra Sysop: Ok lets start with Gentry Lee!
Gentry + Jim French: Hello, everyone.  We're here to discuss...
Gentry + Jim French: Outpost 2-- and to have some fun....
Gentry + Jim French: Jim: I'm the Chief Engineer on outpost with a lot of years.
Gentry + Jim French: working on real,spacecraft. This is a chance to design...
Gentry + Jim French:  the kind of equipment I always really wanted to work on...
Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  My loves are science and science fiction... 
plus everything else in the universe...
Gentry + Jim French: That means that OUTPOST is the perfect...
Gentry + Jim French: place for me to be working.
Greg/Sierra Sysop: Looks like David Black is having some line troubles... 
Greg/Sierra Sysop: we will get back to him when he gets on...
Greg/Sierra Sysop: lets get on with some questions..!
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Mark F. Heil asks: Is Outpost 2 just additional levels to the original or is 
it a whole new game, not requiring the original? And is it a Win95 app?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  It is a whole new game, with new planets, 
new tiles, and  a host of other features...
Gentry + Jim French: It also retains the hard science concept and the... 
brilliant graphics of its predecessor.
Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  It is a Win 95 app...
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Tyson asks: And what other features are there?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  We have tried to make the game both... 
more realistic and more playable...
Gentry + Jim French: by including tutorials, access to information that 
is... essential to game play, and planets that are dynamic...
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Mark F. Heil asks: When is it available and for how much?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  It is available in the coming summer at 
suggested retail of $50-60, but this value has not been set yet.
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Craig Cleaveland asks: The Millennial Project by Savage is a plan for 
colonizing the Solar System.  Did it play any role or influence Outpost 2.  
If not, would you consider it for Outpost 3?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  I like Marshall's book, and the level... 
Gentry + Jim French: of thinking shown there would influence anyone.... 
Gentry + Jim French: doing a space colonization game.
Gentry + Jim French: I would not, however, say that it played a key 
role... any more than a number of other science and science fiction works...
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Sam asks: Are there going to be any changes to the interface?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  The interface will be changed...
Gentry + Jim French: both for the landing site selection phase and for 
the...
Gentry + Jim French: actual landed simulation.
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Todd R Morrison asks: Venus Prime was my all time favorite book 
series. I really enjoyed Rama, as well. Any more joint efforts planned 
with A.C. Clarke?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  Paul Preuss would be delighted...
Gentry + Jim French: Arthur is involved as our nominal leader... 
Gentry + Jim French: on this game.  Otherwise, our collaborations are...
Gentry + Jim French: concluded for the time being...  It was a fantastic 
experience for me.  A little like studying aero....
Gentry + Jim French: under Theodore von Karman.
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Vytis M. Udrys asks: Does Outpost 2 bear any connection with the 
original, or is it a totally different storyline?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  The backstory for OUTPOST 2 is 
considerably different.  However, the basic task... of managing a human 
colony on an unknown planet
Gentry + Jim French: remains the same..
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Marlon F. Cruz asks: do you know what are the system requirements for 
the game?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry: 486/66 will be the minimum...
Gentry + Jim French: User also needs at least 8 megs of RAM, plus 
Windows 95...  Personally, the game will be snappier if the user has a 
Pentium with 12 megs.,
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Mike T. MacGregor asks: For Gentry Lee: I am curious as to what it was 
like to work with Arthur C Clarke (friends have described my own 
writing as very Clarkish) on the Rama books.
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  As I said earlier, it was like learning from an
Gentry + Jim French: expert.  Arthur is a gentleman, and I cannot conceive
Gentry + Jim French: how collaboration could have been more fun...
Gentry + Jim French: We started out at the beginning with a specified... 
division of responsibilities.
Gentry + Jim French: This shifted as the collaboration proceeded, so that 
at the end he told me I was Icarus and should now use my own wings.
Gentry + Jim French: That result was RAMA REVEALED.
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Craig Cleaveland asks: Did you get rid of those annoying and silly 
newspaper items that played no role in the game?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry: YES
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Sam asks: The original Outpost had a pretty steep learning curve.  How 
will Outpost 2 compare?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  To make the game more accessible to the 
non rocket scientist user, we have added many 
Gentry + Jim French: features.  The tutorials at the front of the game will
Gentry + Jim French: allow my clever nine year old son to play comfortably
Gentry + Jim French: and throughout the game all the information you 
need to play the game will now be at your fingertips.
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Tyson asks: I've noticed that in Outpost it seemed more time was spent in 
the game model rather than the details such as sound\music and 
animation.  Will there be better music in the  sequel?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  We're still working on the music design...
Gentry + Jim French: What would you like to hear?
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Roy Kachur asks: Gentry, do you believe humans will land on Mars in 
the near future?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  I believe we CAN, but I'm not convinced...
Gentry + Jim French: that we will.  Let me turn the rest of this answer to 
my distinguished colleague and friend, Jim French
Gentry + Jim French: Jim: We could have and should have done it 15 years...
Gentry + Jim French: ago. I feel that humans will. I hope they are 
Americans but I'm lee sure about that...
Gentry + Jim French: A little less government al "help" would expedite 
the process..
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Vytis M. Udrys asks: I enjoyed Rama very much and have heard that you 
might be doing an interactive game based on Rama.  Is this true?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  Yes, I am working with Sierra on a Rama 
game as we speak...  But it's still in the preliminary design stage..  We'll 
have more to say later...
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Mike T. MacGregor asks: For Gentry Lee: What lead you to working on Outpost?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  I thought the game had an exceptionally... 
good premise.  And there was room for improvement and more 
imagination in some areas...
Gentry + Jim French: It was also a chance to do some work in what I 
believe will be the primary entertainment medium... of the future.
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Sam asks: Would any of the planets used in Outpost 2 be able to support 
life as we know it?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  Yes.  We will have a wide variety of 
planets, some of which would easily support life, some of which would not.
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James H. Kerr, III asks: Gentry When will your first game be ready? Hi 
from your cousin Bill.
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  Hello back to cousin Bill.  Outpost 2 will 
be shipped in the early summer of 1996.
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Vytis M. Udrys asks: Are you considering any type of interaction with 
another intelligent species to be included in Outpost 2
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Gentry + Jim French: Jim: We considered it but decided to save that for 
future editions... 
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Tyson asks: How about for music selections, Wagners "The Ring" or 
some of Beethoven's symphonies such as his 5th 6th or 9th?  Maybe a 
little Dvorak?
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Gentry + Jim French: Jim: We are considering having our exec. producer sing...
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Craig Cleaveland asks: Have you rethought the role of the rebel colony in 
Outpost 2?  
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  Absolutely.  There is no longer a rebel 
colony as currently conceived.  Outpost 2 will have splinter colonies, 
defined on a different basis
Gentry + Jim French: With respect to the music, at least Dvorak's NEW 
WORLd would be appropriate.
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Mike T. MacGregor asks: Icarus: Are there any other projects other than 
Outpost that you are currently working on?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  Yes, the Rama game mentioned earlier, a 
novel or two, a spacecraft or two...  and my seven sons ranging in age 
from nineteen to two.
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Vytis M. Udrys asks: Will Outpost 2 be set in a much later period in time 
and technology, or will it be pretty much the same?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  Twenty-fifth century, but the starship 
really makes sense.  Jim French is VERY PROUD of his starship.  Come 
on, somebody, ask him a question about HIS STARSHIP
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James H. Kerr, III asks: When will your Rama game be ready?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  Fall 1996 if there are not too many 
hurricanes in the Caribbean.
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DONALD J BALONIS asks: Will there be a little more involvement in 
protecting a colony?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  Okay, I don't know how to answer.  Could 
you please explain "protecting".  There are no wars in OUTPOST, if 
that's the question.
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Craig Cleaveland asks: One of the nice things about SimCity is the 
historical record.  I would love some kind of graphs that show how well 
you are doing along time (to sort of chart your progress)
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  I couldn't have asked a better question if I 
tried.  One of the first things I wanted to change about
Gentry + Jim French: OUTPOST was the information accessible to the 
game player.  I promise you this...
Gentry + Jim French: You will have more information in OUTPOST 2 
than if you were drinking out of a fire hose.
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Gary Lamon asks: A question for Mr. French: I've been reading about the  
X-33, the Delta Clipper, Dark Horse, etc. What do you think will be the 
ticket to space in the 21st century?
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Gentry + Jim French: Jim: The Delta clipper is representative of the type 
of low cost orbital vehicle which will be 
Gentry + Jim French: our ticket to low cost space access in the next 
century.
Gentry + Jim French: X-33 is an experimental step towards that vehicle.
Gentry + Jim French: Black horse is an alternative but more speculative 
approach.  DCX is the first step to low cost orbital transport.
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Tyson asks: What about Beethoven's Ode to Joy'.  
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry and Jim:  Only if there are good voices 
available.  But, Beethoven is hard to beat. ga
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Vytis M. Udrys asks: Jim, what's your starship like?!
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry and Jim:  David is back so now you can 
send in your planet and science questions!  Welcome David! ga
Greg/Sierra Sysop: hopefully!  we are still working on technical details!
Gentry + Jim French: Jim:  The starship is based upon antimatter 
annihilation as a power source.  
David Black: send
Gentry + Jim French: The concept is based upon work done by Dr. 
Robert Forward and others.  It is capable of 0.2 times the speed of light.
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Mike T. MacGregor asks: Re: Rama game. Can you tell us more about 
this (format, objective, release date)?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  I would love to talk about RAMA and we 
are going to schedule a full forum later on Compuserve.  The scheduled 
release is Fall of '96.  Let's talk Outpost tonight!  ga
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Marlon F. Cruz asks: Will Outpost 2 be a lot of CD's something like 
Phantasmagoria or just one?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry and Jim:  We expect it will only be one 
CD...but now with all the music!!! ga
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Billybob asks: JIM, TELL US ABOUT YOUR STARSHIP!!!!
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Gentry + Jim French: Jim:  The starship is designed to carry 200 people, 
mostly in a semi-suspended animation state and will bring lander vehicles 
capable of placing 2.7 million poundsof equipment on the surface of the 
planer
Gentry + Jim French: (oops) planet, 
Gentry + Jim French: at a time. 
Gentry + Jim French: to initialize the colony.
Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  David Black, the director of the Lunar and 
Planetary Institute, and one of the foremost
Gentry + Jim French: experts on planets and planetary systems, is now
Gentry + Jim French: with us.  He has been designing PLAUSIBLE 
planets in orbit around REAL stars for OUTPOST.  How
Gentry + Jim French: about some questions for him?
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Craig Cleaveland asks: If you were really inventive you could generate 
some kind of fractal music based on various game factors that could 
provide some (perhaps subliminal) information about the state of the 
game
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  That would definitely make us REALLY 
inventive.  Maybe we'll hire Mandelbrot as a consultant
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Tyson asks: What's the research model like?  I remember in outpost 
when I finished the research tree I ended up with 20 labs doing nothing 
but using up my people.
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  Research has been completely overhauled 
for OUT{POST 2.  It now is directed toward more game applications.
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Todd R Morrison asks: Anti-matter annihilation? Could you expand on 
that just a bit?
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Gentry + Jim French: Jim: Antimatter, when it encounters normal matter 
causes complete annihilation of both with the release...
Gentry + Jim French: of enormous amounts of energy; far beyond atomic 
energy as we know it...
Gentry + Jim French: We then transfer this energy into a stream of gas 
which can be accelerated to a very large...
Gentry + Jim French:  percentage of the speed of light...
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Mike T. MacGregor asks: How much of Outpost is based on actual stellar systems?
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Gentry + Jim French: Jim: We've lost Dave Black again so I'll try this one...
Gentry + Jim French: It will be based upon actual stars and their known 
characteristics...
Gentry + Jim French:  We don't know of planets around these stars but 
Dr. Black has created plausible and realistic planets for the stars...
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DONALD J BALONIS asks: Will there be more interaction in 
responding to emergencies?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  In Outpost 2 we will indeed show 
simulation response to planetary dynamics.  Hurricanes, tidal waves, 
volcanoes, dust storms, epidemics--- 
Gentry + Jim French: these are just a few of the things the player must 
deal with.  Thus the game will not ever be static
Gentry + Jim French: not even in the middle game.
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Gary Schmidt asks: No question, Gentry, just a hello from a former 
Martin Denver Viking alum (worked for you about 200 years ago).  Keep 
up the great work.
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  Hello Gary.  Now Viking was a REAL 
program.  Where did it all go?  One of the reasons OUTPOST is so 
exciting is that the team has the same esprit de corps of the Viking team.
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Vytis M. Udrys asks: David, Have you introduced any type of original 
new terrain and/or conditions?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  David has vanished again, unfortunately.
Gentry + Jim French: New terrains include ice, water, and a dozen others.  
The terrains now span the spectrum of what we 
Gentry + Jim French: might encounter in a new planetary system.
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Marlon F. Cruz asks: Will there be any cinemas?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry: Yes, there will be some portions of the game
Gentry + Jim French: where the player will be able to see moving 
animations of what is occurring.
Gentry + Jim French: However, during the main simulation task, the only 
Gentry + Jim French: movies will be of disasters or other untoward events.
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James H. Kerr, III asks: Do you know what the expected cost for Outpost 
2 will be?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  Retail should be in the $50-60 region.  
That will be determined later.
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Tyson asks: How come ,on the site map, urbanization is never shown?  It 
gets kind of hard trying to find where I was building that monorail.
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  That OUTPOST 1 [problem will be 
circumvented by the information system design in OUTPOST 2.
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DONALD J BALONIS asks: The increased span of terrain does that 
include the possibility of settling on a frozen gas planet?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  The game will show you the existence of 
inhospitable planets.  But you will only be allowed
Gentry + Jim French: to land on a planet where you MIGHT survive and 
flourish.  Some will be pretty tough, and other planets will be easy.  Your 
task as the player will be to decide a priori which are which.
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Vytis M. Udrys asks: Has anyone considered orbiting space stations or 
subterranean colonies?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  The original OUTPOST had subterranean
Gentry + Jim French: colonies as part of the overall development.  
Orbiting colonies consume enormous resources and cannot easily be self-
sufficient.  For OUTPOST 2 our colonies are on the surface of this 
wonderful variation of planets
Greg/Sierra Sysop: Dr. David Black is unable to connect up with us 
tonight, he wanted to say a few words... he is in Pasadena right now at a 
JPL convention with leading astrophysicists reviewing NASA's 
"roadmap" to build telescopes to search for other planetary systems.  He 
did answer this question...
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Gary Lamon asks: For Mr. Black: A recent article in Scientific American 
says that binary star systems may be very common, How would their 
planetary systems be different from our own?
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Greg/Sierra Sysop: He said....
Greg/Sierra Sysop: yes they are common about 2/3 are Binary....
Greg/Sierra Sysop: they don't know and that is what part of this 
"roadmap" is about to research this topic (among others)
Greg/Sierra Sysop: but it would make a very interesting landscape.... 
Gentry Lee.. do you have any thing to add... 
Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  One thing we do know for certain
Gentry + Jim French: Any planets around binary systems would have 
Greg/Sierra Sysop: (this was paraphased of course)
Greg/Sierra Sysop: phased phrased... oh well... <g>
Gentry + Jim French: fascinating orbits, including lemniscates (figure 
eights for some) and others.  In a later OUTPOST
Gentry + Jim French: we may have some of these wonderful orbits.
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GARY DANNER asks: Is Arthur C. Clarke consulting on Outpost?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  Arthur is not consulting on OUTPOST, 
except spiritually.  Being serious, I guarantee he is interested in the 
subject.  I have talked to him about it by E-mail several times.
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DONALD J BALONIS asks: Gentry:  What would you say is the most 
OUTSTANDING feature or planned feature for OUTPOST2?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  Ice and water planets PLUS additional 
design attention to realism and playability.
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Justin Kao asks: Another question about Clarke: Are you going to be 
writing any more books with him?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  Arthur and I presently have no plans for 
any more collaborative novels.  As he said in the intro
Gentry + Jim French: to RAMA II, however, the Rama world we 
discussed could have yielded a dozen books without any problem.
Greg/Sierra Sysop: We are going to start wrapping it up... so get those 
last questions in!
Greg/Sierra Sysop: Ok.... well looking light on the questions... so if you 
have any last ones... 
Greg/Sierra Sysop: Anyone who has a question to ask, or comment to 
make, click the ? button, 
Greg/Sierra Sysop: type in your question and then submit it... the 
questions will be 
Greg/Sierra Sysop: displayed in the order received.  
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Vytis M. Udrys asks: Gentry:  Do you consider Outpost 2 to be your 
largest or favorite project out of all?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  Outpost is as challenging in its way as 
Viking, COSMOS, or writing the RAMA novels.  I consider myself very 
fortunate to be working in this medium, which, as I said before, I predict 
will be the dominant entertainment medium of tomorrow.
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Tyson asks: What will the effect of nano-tech be?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  We have removed nanotech from 
OUTPOST 2 because we feel that it is not quite realistic enough for a 
hard science game.
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DONALD J BALONIS asks: Another question on the Rama series, were 
you involved in the first 2 Rama books??  I ask this because I had noticed 
a slight change in style from book to book.
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  I wrote every word of RAMA II, 
GARDEN OF RAMA, and RAMA REVEALED.  If there is a slight 
change of style, it is because I was aging during the process.
Greg/Sierra Sysop: ok..... on that note..thanks everyone for stopping by!  
Any last words guys?
Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  Goodbye everyone.  And thanks.  I hope 
you enjoy playing OUTPOST as much as we have enjoyed designing it.
Greg/Sierra Sysop: one last question....
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Justin Kao asks: Do you think a game like the one in Cradle will ever be 
made?
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Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  That game would even be banned in Bangkok
Vytis M. Udrys: Can't wait for Outpost 2!!!
Greg/Sierra Sysop: Thanks everyone!  have a great night!
Gentry + Jim French: Gentry:  Thanks for all the good questions.
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